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to you? we talked about it briefly the other day with you. >> it's where to be in energy. you know, natural gas -- one of the things about natural gas which i love is that everybody kind of -- you see them come on your show and elsewhere on cnbc and they talk about this great boom that's going on in shale drilling. and i'm on the other side at this point and this is a tremendous bust in shale drilling that's going on because the price will not allow the innovations to move forward at this point. there's no demand source that's coming back into the market. >> a little better. >> there's no transport demand session coming back. >> it's better than 180. it's not what's needed for a real excitement about the fuel which is $5, $6, $7. >> so should we have a national policy to try to use more of this national gas and pump prices up and get people to do that instead of focusing on solar and hoping we'll have sun? >> yeah. by the way, i think that we should be doing both. that's really -- i think we should be doing both. but in terms of natural gas in 2012, there's been failure after failu
: this follow-up -- if you are poor, you'd have to spend a lot of energy to get enough to beat. john, connecticut. good morning. caller: good morning. i was calling to mention low- quality food and the cost of health care, but you covered well. do you think it would be more beneficial if they start doing a local farming program where they could start growing vegetables? maybe have some land with tiles and chickens, and local people could work on the farming areas and return the food to the communities as opposed to being so reliant on high-salt diets, the foods we would coin as having a long shelf life, leaving it on the shelf for six months without going bad? has the government been able to look into those programs, considering the finances involved in the program as a whole? host: thank you. a related topic -- the availability of this fresh produce is a big distraction for many. guest: there are some programs that speak directly to the point, one our farms-to-school programs, directed to help know where food is coming from and getting fresher food into the schools. in addition, we
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